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Monday, December 7, 2009
Deviance...and beauty?
“Deviance, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.”
What are your thoughts on this quote? Is this a fair and/or true comparison? Are beauty and deviance similar in any other aspects? Share your insights!
To me this quote if very true.... there is no specific look for beauty. It depends what the person finds beautiful. For example i might find Robert pattinson to be beautiful but another girl might not. its the same thing for deviance i might think smoking pot is horrible but other people find it to be normal. Other than the meaning itself with beauty and deviance i find no other similarities.
I definitely agree with the quote. No one person can define what beauty is, nor can they define what is deviant and what is not. Like Maria said, some people may consider Robert Pattinson absolutely gorgeous while others may not. People smoke all the time, and I happen to think it's a terrible habit. There are far too many people with far too many varying opinions for beauty and deviance to be defined by any one person. Also, I was kind of thinking that beauty and deviance are similar in a sense that some people look up to them. So many people strive to be 'beautiful,' strive to be like the celebrities they see in the media, where other people are just sort of 'whatever' toward the whole thing. The same goes for deviance. You can say deviance sets an example as to what not to do, and while some people may follow this example, there aree those people who think that being deviant is being 'cool.'
This quote is, for the most part, true. However, consider the following. We could say that "deviance is in the eye of the beholder" and that is true. "Robert Pattinson is pretty and pot is not" says one person while "I'd rather have a dashing pot than ugly Robert any day" goes another and all that. But there is a distinguishing factor. There are LAWS against certain levels of deviance. That whole "bad boy/bad girl" act to some of society is seen as deviant and not to others, but to the law, these personal distinctions don't specifically matter. Now it's true that there are different laws and different punishments anywhere you go that are based on the personal distinctions of some group of people and yes, for many crimes we have to go through many many procedures in order to weed out different judge rulings in order to find the pure law. But that's the thing. At some point in deviance, social sanctions can no longer be governed by the "eyes of the beholder" because there is a socially universal layout of "this is deviant, and this will happen if you perform this deviance". You and your friends and the people rioting out side of the court house may disagree, but if you have violated this law through this act of deviance, society will still treat you accordingly no matter the opinion.
I completly agree with this quote. Everyone has a different opinion, and while some may think they have good habits, others might think they are horrible people. You cant take one persons opinons and set them as a fact beacuse no single person will ever think the same.
I believe that its not in the eye of the beholder as an Indiviudal, but what the society as a whole beilievs as deviant. People learn what deviance is by what is taught to them and if the Gov. or a churh or somebody people listen to say something is deviant people believe it.
I agree with the quote. Both deviance and beauty are subjective terms, so naturally they would be "in the eye of the beholder." besides being subjective, beauty and deviance don't really share much in a literal sense.
I agree with this quote as well. Beauty and deviance may be similar based upon opinions but beauty, is mainly more of one's personal opinion towards a specific topic, while deviance is the perspective of a whole society or culture. To some extent, that's where the whole government and laws come into play in a society because unlike beauty, the people of a society can set limits to what they consider to be deviant and sometimes, necessary actions has to be carried out because in some ways, deviance may not be fully tolerated in a way like beauty would be.
Having "beauty" is typically considered to be a good thing, while deviance upon a society is not. So therefore when a person gives their personal opinion on something its not necessarily true to another person, so in a way i agree but don't agree with the quote.
I agree with the quote. Beauty and Deviance are both subjective term so naturally they would both associate with the quote "... is in the eye of the beholder."
I agree with this quote because beauty and deviance is different for everyone. Everyone has different perspectives on it, and it just depends on the person, what their view of it is.
I agree with this quote. everyone has different opinions and views on what is wrong and right ;what is beautiful and what is not. Therefore, what can be considered "deviance" differs from person to person.For example, you could look at someone with blue hair and say that they're a deviant while someone else could look at that same person and think that they are perfectly normal. It all depends on how you think and what society you live in.Everyone has the possibility of being seen as a deviant.
We can all agree that killing is wrong, right? Doesn't a majority of our society agree as well? What about other countries around the world? We (humans) agree on many other kinds of deviance. With this being said, is deviance really in the eye of the beholder? Do our opinions really vary all that much?
I absolutely agree with this quote, just thinking of the idea and comparing it to deviance in any sort of type of society, makes a perfect match. Just like any other person, a society would do the same to judge a person or another type of group, just based on their beliefs, or norms.
I still feel that deviance is in the eye of the beholder, despite there being laws and such in place for certain deviant behaviors. While the majority of society may agree on certain acts being considered deviant, there are still serial killers, serial rapists, thieves. And they clearly don't have a problem with committing the crimes that they do, or they would stop. Take smoking, for example. While it may not be punishable by incarceration, it is very widely considered deviant. People still do it. Though I guess it is possible that they consider what they're doing deviant, but continue to do it anyway. However, I stand by my point. Saying that deviance isn't in the eye of the beholder because the majority of society agrees that murder is bad is like saying that beauty isn't in the eye of the beholder because women swoon over George Clooney. Murder and Clooney are both extremes in their categories. In class, we read that quote that listed various things considered 'deviant'. And while it may have been just to make the point that deviance is in the eye of the beholder, it holds much truth. Many things on that list could very well be considered deviant to someone, and we can't claim that they are wrong to think so just because the majority of society doesn't agree. Claiming that deviance is not in the eye of the beholder would first require that we force everyone to agree on what is and is not deviant. It's just not possible.
Any ambiguous intangible topic such as beauty and deviance take shape upon the wielder's eyes. Society takes what the majority of the population considers to be beautiful and those that disagree are labeled deviants; those deviants have their own vision of what aesthetic beliefs they harbor and hold true to themselves. A society that fails to hold satisfaction to such unwanted and dilatory values by a new mass, deviance and followers are therefore born. Acceptable to compare both aspects, and rule them almost similar in the aspect of their vagueness and how both can have positive and negative effects on the structure of society. By the way Ms. Mckend, killing is only wrong if that opinion is what the masses conform to. However during such times of conflict, said action champions overall. Also opinions of oneself matter not to the group, but rather the groups thought on the individual. An opinion is crafted, and such eyes are chiseled by what the majority of the people believe and not the person itself. Conforming occurs in order for an individual to become a part of the in group, otherwise they will be denoted as a deviant if they don't agree on said agreements.
Yes its true that deviance is in the eye of the beholder. One sees what one calls deviance because of their perspective. One may think smoking is bad but another might see it as harmful because people around them have been smoking forever.
I agree with the quote, "is in the eye of the beholder” is basically telling you its your opinion and your perceptive on how you take the Deviance. The Deviance is either something positive or negative situation. An example could be like if a person thinks smoking is fine then when they see people smoking they think its okay then others that don't agree with smoking. This connects with beauty because we all know that everyone was their own "type" on who they like. So its really depends on your perceptive being the "beholder". An example could be that a girl and you really think she outstanding, but your best friend thinks that she ugly or she just not his type. So all argue about it, but at the end its just your opinions about the girl.
okaay. i think that beauty IS in the eye of the beholder and I believe that deviance is also the same because an act committed by a person may be completely intolerant to one person while to another it may seem completely normal and justified. Just as beauty is judged by other people depending on their perspective and what they think, deviant behavior could be exactly the same: Perspective is the key to it all:)
To me this quote if very true.... there is no specific look for beauty. It depends what the person finds beautiful. For example i might find Robert pattinson to be beautiful but another girl might not. its the same thing for deviance i might think smoking pot is horrible but other people find it to be normal. Other than the meaning itself with beauty and deviance i find no other similarities.
ReplyDeleteI think it depends on what the society defines as deviance, so yes I agree with the quote.
ReplyDeleteBTW has anybody heard the new Lady GaGa album?
I definitely agree with the quote. No one person can define what beauty is, nor can they define what is deviant and what is not. Like Maria said, some people may consider Robert Pattinson absolutely gorgeous while others may not. People smoke all the time, and I happen to think it's a terrible habit. There are far too many people with far too many varying opinions for beauty and deviance to be defined by any one person.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I was kind of thinking that beauty and deviance are similar in a sense that some people look up to them. So many people strive to be 'beautiful,' strive to be like the celebrities they see in the media, where other people are just sort of 'whatever' toward the whole thing. The same goes for deviance. You can say deviance sets an example as to what not to do, and while some people may follow this example, there aree those people who think that being deviant is being 'cool.'
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ReplyDeleteThis quote is, for the most part, true. However, consider the following.
ReplyDeleteWe could say that "deviance is in the eye of the beholder" and that is true. "Robert Pattinson is pretty and pot is not" says one person while "I'd rather have a dashing pot than ugly Robert any day" goes another and all that. But there is a distinguishing factor.
There are LAWS against certain levels of deviance.
That whole "bad boy/bad girl" act to some of society is seen as deviant and not to others, but to the law, these personal distinctions don't specifically matter.
Now it's true that there are different laws and different punishments anywhere you go that are based on the personal distinctions of some group of people and yes, for many crimes we have to go through many many procedures in order to weed out different judge rulings in order to find the pure law.
But that's the thing. At some point in deviance, social sanctions can no longer be governed by the "eyes of the beholder" because there is a socially universal layout of "this is deviant, and this will happen if you perform this deviance".
You and your friends and the people rioting out side of the court house may disagree, but if you have violated this law through this act of deviance, society will still treat you accordingly no matter the opinion.
I completly agree with this quote. Everyone has a different opinion, and while some may think they have good habits, others might think they are horrible people. You cant take one persons opinons and set them as a fact beacuse no single person will ever think the same.
ReplyDeleteI believe that its not in the eye of the beholder as an Indiviudal, but what the society as a whole beilievs as deviant. People learn what deviance is by what is taught to them and if the Gov. or a churh or somebody people listen to say something is deviant people believe it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the quote. Both deviance and beauty are subjective terms, so naturally they would be "in the eye of the beholder." besides being subjective, beauty and deviance don't really share much in a literal sense.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this quote as well. Beauty and deviance may be similar based upon opinions but beauty, is mainly more of one's personal opinion towards a specific topic, while deviance is the perspective of a whole society or culture. To some extent, that's where the whole government and laws come into play in a society because unlike beauty, the people of a society can set limits to what they consider to be deviant and sometimes, necessary actions has to be carried out because in some ways, deviance may not be fully tolerated in a way like beauty would be.
ReplyDeleteHaving "beauty" is typically considered to be a good thing, while deviance upon a society is not. So therefore when a person gives their personal opinion on something its not necessarily true to another person, so in a way i agree but don't agree with the quote.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the quote. Beauty and Deviance are both subjective term so naturally they would both associate with the quote "... is in the eye of the beholder."
ReplyDeleteI agree with this quote because beauty and deviance is different for everyone. Everyone has different perspectives on it, and it just depends on the person, what their view of it is.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this quote. everyone has different opinions and views on what is wrong and right ;what is beautiful and what is not. Therefore, what can be considered "deviance" differs from person to person.For example, you could look at someone with blue hair and say that they're a deviant while someone else could look at that same person and think that they are perfectly normal. It all depends on how you think and what society you live in.Everyone has the possibility of being seen as a deviant.
ReplyDeleteWe can all agree that killing is wrong, right? Doesn't a majority of our society agree as well? What about other countries around the world? We (humans) agree on many other kinds of deviance. With this being said, is deviance really in the eye of the beholder? Do our opinions really vary all that much?
ReplyDeleteI absolutely agree with this quote, just thinking of the idea and comparing it to deviance in any sort of type of society, makes a perfect match. Just like any other person, a society would do the same to judge a person or another type of group, just based on their beliefs, or norms.
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ReplyDeleteI still feel that deviance is in the eye of the beholder, despite there being laws and such in place for certain deviant behaviors. While the majority of society may agree on certain acts being considered deviant, there are still serial killers, serial rapists, thieves. And they clearly don't have a problem with committing the crimes that they do, or they would stop. Take smoking, for example. While it may not be punishable by incarceration, it is very widely considered deviant. People still do it.
ReplyDeleteThough I guess it is possible that they consider what they're doing deviant, but continue to do it anyway.
However, I stand by my point. Saying that deviance isn't in the eye of the beholder because the majority of society agrees that murder is bad is like saying that beauty isn't in the eye of the beholder because women swoon over George Clooney. Murder and Clooney are both extremes in their categories.
In class, we read that quote that listed various things considered 'deviant'. And while it may have been just to make the point that deviance is in the eye of the beholder, it holds much truth. Many things on that list could very well be considered deviant to someone, and we can't claim that they are wrong to think so just because the majority of society doesn't agree. Claiming that deviance is not in the eye of the beholder would first require that we force everyone to agree on what is and is not deviant. It's just not possible.
Any ambiguous intangible topic such as beauty and deviance take shape upon the wielder's eyes. Society takes what the majority of the population considers to be beautiful and those that disagree are labeled deviants; those deviants have their own vision of what aesthetic beliefs they harbor and hold true to themselves. A society that fails to hold satisfaction to such unwanted and dilatory values by a new mass, deviance and followers are therefore born. Acceptable to compare both aspects, and rule them almost similar in the aspect of their vagueness and how both can have positive and negative effects on the structure of society.
ReplyDeleteBy the way Ms. Mckend, killing is only wrong if that opinion is what the masses conform to. However during such times of conflict, said action champions overall. Also opinions of oneself matter not to the group, but rather the groups thought on the individual. An opinion is crafted, and such eyes are chiseled by what the majority of the people believe and not the person itself. Conforming occurs in order for an individual to become a part of the in group, otherwise they will be denoted as a deviant if they don't agree on said agreements.
Yes its true that deviance is in the eye of the beholder. One sees what one calls deviance because of their perspective. One may think smoking is bad but another might see it as harmful because people around them have been smoking forever.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the quote, "is in the eye of the beholder” is basically telling you its your opinion and your perceptive on how you take the Deviance. The Deviance is either something positive or negative situation. An example could be like if a person thinks smoking is fine then when they see people smoking they think its okay then others that don't agree with smoking. This connects with beauty because we all know that everyone was their own "type" on who they like. So its really depends on your perceptive being the "beholder". An example could be that a girl and you really think she outstanding, but your best friend thinks that she ugly or she just not his type. So all argue about it, but at the end its just your opinions about the girl.
ReplyDeleteokaay. i think that beauty IS in the eye of the beholder and I believe that deviance is also the same because an act committed by a person may be completely intolerant to one person while to another it may seem completely normal and justified. Just as beauty is judged by other people depending on their perspective and what they think, deviant behavior could be exactly the same: Perspective is the key to it all:)
ReplyDeletei dont get what you mean with your comment ms.mckend....???
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